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EPBL riigihangetest
Postitaja: ZWYX (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 22.12.2009 09:03

Eesti Projektbüroode Liit on üllitanud 15.12.2009 riigihangete teemalise pressiteate.
Selle põhiseisukohad:
1. projekteerimine ehitamisest eraldada;
2. tellija ning tulevase kasutaja huvisid kirjeldada ainult tööprojekti kaudu;
3. projekteerimishanke kui ka ehitushanke korraldamiseks luua 4-5 professionaalset regionaalset riigihangete korraldamise kompetentsikeskust;
4. riigihangete tulemusel valminud ehitusprojektid suunata ekspertiisi EPBL poolt aktsepteeritud isikutele.

Kas antud ideedel võib olla mõju või on ülejäänud osapoolte (RKAS+ehitusettevõtted) rahulolu olemasoleva süsteemiga piisavalt suur hetkeolukorra jätkamiseks?

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Re: EPBL riigihangetest
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Kuupäev: 22.12.2009 13:11

üldjoontes muidugi õige. aga vaevalt, et keegi epbl-i kuulab.

see, et ehitaja hakkab riigihankega võidetud objekti ise ümber-(odavamaks) projekteerima on üldlevinud praktika. selle vastu aitab ainult tellija (ehk riigi) esindaja aktiivne huvi võimalikult kvaliteetse lõpptulemuse suhtes. ei saa ju keelata ehitajal enda tarbeks tööjooniseid tegemast ja neid tellijale esitamast. vahe saab tekkida ainult selles, kas tellija kooskõlastab need muudatused või mitte ja kui ta seda teeb, siis kas ta konsulteerib projekteerijaga või mitte.

hanke koostamine tööprojekti alusel ei vasta praegu kehtivale standardile, millest üldjuhul lähtutakse. seal on just põhiprojekt selleks staadiumiks, mille alusel korraldatakse hange. ja normaalses ehituskeskkonnas see vist nii peaks ka olema. arvestades tegelikku elu oleks võibolla õige nõuda ka tööprojekti hanke alusena, aga siis tuleks leida selles konsensus ka tellijate poolelt, sest on ju selge, et see venitab projekteerimise tähtaegu mitu kuud.
üldiselt ma arvan, et nii tellija pool kui ka ehitaja on praeguse olukorraga päris rahul, kuna see sogane vesi võimaldab mõnedel tegelastel suuri kalu püüda. praegune olukord on piisavalt paindlik, et ausa asjaajamise korral võimaldada head ja kiiret tulemust, aga see loob ka võimaluse ebaausalt asju ajada ja teatud olukordades isegi sunnib ehitajat pettusele.

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Re: EPBL riigihangetest
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Kuupäev: 22.12.2009 23:12

Mind üllatab, et selles riigihankeid käsitlevas pressiteates pole kohta paljuräägitud põhimõttele, et hangetest arvataks välja suurim ja väikseim pakkumine. Huvitav, kas EPBL lihtsalt unustas selle idee või pole sellisest asjadekäigust huvitatud...?
Eks pressiteate formaat peabki olema lühike ja informeeriv, kuid kahjuks sellises sõnastuses, nagu EPBL omi seisukohti väljandas, mõjub see deklaratiivselt ning tekitab selliselt vastuseisu ja küsimusi. See ei kõla konstruktiivselt. Paari sõnaga oleks võinud EPBL omi seisukohti ka põhjendada või kutsuda üles mitmepoolsele diskusioonile.

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Re: EPBL riigihangetest
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Kuupäev: 28.12.2009 09:18

See aitaks küll välja arvata sellised imelikud pakkumised, kus keskmisest pakkumiste hinnast on kellegi pakkumine 4-5 korda odavam.
Kuid lihtsalt suurima ja väikseima pakkumise väljaarvamine pole õiglane.
Kui rakendada pakkumiste välistamise printsiipi, siis peaks see olema seotud mõõdetava erinevuse defineerimisega - nt .. 20% suurem/väiksem kui eelviimane pakkumine langeb ära, või võetakse pakkumiste (mediaan)keskmine ja siis sellest teatud protsendi võrra odavamad tööd langevad välja.
Lihtsalt väikseima/suurima pakkumise väljaarvamisel võib tekkida olukord, kus kellegi marginaalselt väiksem pakutud hind annulleerib pakkumise, mis oleks muidugi naeruväärne.

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