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Arhitekt V
Postitaja: R (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 19.05.2009 23:08

Tere,

Hakkas see kutseomistamise teema, tõsisemalt huvi pakkuma ja sellest johtuvalt ka küsimused tekkima, olen aru saanud, et Arhtiektide liit võitleb tuliselt selle eest, et vastutav spetsialist saaks olla ainult kutseseaduse tähenduses ja Arhitekt 5 omistatakse vaid inimestele kelle töö kvaliteedis saab kindel olla, nii:

Siis kuidas on võimalik, et Arh 5 tiitlit kannavad isikud ei oma kõrgharidust? Kas see pole mitte 1 põhi eeldusi selle kutse saamiseks? Ja kui selline apsakas on komisioni poolt tehtud kas siis ei teki mitte küsimus selle komisioni pädevuses ning erapooletuses. Otan tagasisidet.

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Re: Arhitekt V
Postitaja: eksneid (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 20.05.2009 00:57

Eks neid "apsakaid" ole seal kõvasti
Ms. standard kirjeldab 5-ndat ka kui rahvusvaheliselt tunnustatud eksperti...

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Re: Arhitekt V
Postitaja: Enn (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 22.05.2009 23:30

R-le
"Siis kuidas on võimalik, et Arh 5 tiitlit kannavad isikud ei oma kõrgharidust? Kas see pole mitte 1 põhi eeldusi selle kutse saamiseks? Ja kui selline apsakas on komisioni poolt tehtud kas siis ei teki mitte küsimus selle komisioni pädevuses ning erapooletuses. Otan tagasisidet."
Kas oskad ja tead tuua konkreetset näidet? Kui tead, siis tee konkreetne järelpärimine EAL-le, sest kui selline "apsakas" on tehtud, siis pole siin häbeneda midagi, selline tähelepanujuhtimine tuleb ainult kasuks. Kui aga EAL on tõesti sellise vea teinud, siis peab ta oma otsuse tühistama, sest teisel juhul ta ainult oma pealiskaudsusega degradeerib ennast ja muudab küsitavaks talle usaldatud volitused kutset omistada.

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Re: Arhitekt V
Postitaja: M (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 28.05.2009 09:04

Arhitekt V kutse saab välja anda inimesele, kes ei ole veel lõpetanud kõrgkooli ainult erandkoras. Meil on selleks vaid üks arhitekt. Ja põhjendus, et tegemist on inimesega, kelle looming on leidnud rahvusvahelise tunnustuse.

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Re: Arhitekt V
Postitaja: noor vihane mees (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 28.05.2009 17:58

M Kirjutas:
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> Arhitekt V kutse saab välja anda inimesele, kes
> ei ole veel lõpetanud kõrgkooli ainult
> erandkoras. Meil on selleks vaid üks arhitekt. Ja
> põhjendus, et tegemist on inimesega, kelle
> looming on leidnud rahvusvahelise tunnustuse.


Niisama huvi pärast, kellest on jutt?

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Re: Arhitekt V
Postitaja: M (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 29.05.2009 14:24

Sellise tasemega arhitekt on Raivo Kotov

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Re: Arhitekt V
Postitaja: ekspert (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 31.05.2009 12:57

Kui kõik need "viiendad" on rahvusvaheliselt tunnustatud eksperdid (nagu kirjeldus nõuab), siis olen mina Rooma paavst.

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Re: Arhitekt V
Postitaja: mõtlik seaduskuulelik kodanik (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 01.06.2009 12:06

Erandkorras võib kutseliitu vastu võtta ilma kõrghariduseta andeka. Aga anda kõrgeim kutsekvalifikatsioon? Milleks on vaja sellist pretsedenti luua? ...leidnud rahvusvahelise tunnustuse? Paistab, et mõned eesti arhitektidki ei tea, kellega tegemist.

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A.7 KUTSEALANE ETTEVALMISTUS
Ülikool või sellega võrreldava õppeasutuse arhitektiõpe, mis on kooskõlas Euroopa Parlamendi ja Nõukogu direktiiviga 7. septembrist 2005, 2005/35/EÜ, „ Kutsekvalifikatsioonide tunnustamise kohta” ja Eesti Vabariigi Valitsuse 25. oktoobri 2004. a määrusega nr 312, „Arstiõppe, loomaarstiõppe, proviisoriõppe, hambaarstiõppe, ämmaemandaõppe, õeõppe, arhitektiõppe ja ehitusinseneriõppe raamnõuded1.
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V tase – kõrgeimal tasemel teadmised kutsetegevuse valdkonnas, valdkondadevaheliste seoste ja mõju mõistmine ning kõrgeimal tasemel kutsealased oskused; kaasaarvatud süntees ja hindamine, et luua uusi teadmisi ja protseduure ning valdkondadevahelisi seoseid. Iseseisvus, vastutus ja loovus komplekssete tööülesannete täitmisel olukordades, mis nõuavad uut strateegilist lähenemist.
Ressursside ning integreeritud tegevuste ja protsesside juhtimine ja arendamine, strateegiline planeerimine ja tegevusele hinnangu andmine, uute visioonide loomine .Kutsed ei eelda kirjeldamist ja kutseomistamist kõigil tasemetel. Kutsetasemete vajalikkuse otsustab vastav kutsenõukogu. Iga konkreetse taseme nõuded, sealhulgas vajadusel ka sobiv haridustase, määratakse kindlaks kutsestandardis.
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Selliste erandite tegemine paneb kahtluse alla kogu kutsestandardi.

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Re: Arhitekt V
Postitaja: R (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 01.06.2009 14:21

oot aga kutsestandardis on kirjas, et kõrgharidus? arhliidul pole õigust ise mugandusi teha. või on?

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Re: Arhitekt V
Postitaja: K (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 10.06.2009 12:53

Minu teada on seda vastavuse tingimusi viimaste aastate jooksul muudetud, paljud kel täna on veel kehtiv V ei saa seda ilmselt vastavalt uutele tingimustele enam tulevikus pikendada. Sealt see segadus ka, et alguses olid nõuded madalamad ja kõik kes taotlesid said ka V kutse. Enam see nii ei ole.

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Re: Arhitekt V
Postitaja: noor vihane mees (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 11.06.2009 10:08

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V tase – kõrgeimal tasemel teadmised kutsetegevuse valdkonnas, valdkondadevaheliste seoste ja mõju mõistmine ning kõrgeimal tasemel kutsealased oskused; kaasaarvatud süntees ja hindamine, et luua uusi teadmisi ja protseduure ning valdkondadevahelisi seoseid. Iseseisvus, vastutus ja loovus komplekssete tööülesannete täitmisel olukordades, mis nõuavad uut strateegilist lähenemist.
Ressursside ning integreeritud tegevuste ja protsesside juhtimine ja arendamine, strateegiline planeerimine ja tegevusele hinnangu andmine, uute visioonide loomine .
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Öelge mulle, kes on see kipspea, kes sellist iba kokku kirjutab. Siinkohal soovitan lugeda viimases MAJAS Neutelingsi artiklit, seal kah juttu interdistsiplinaarsusest ja muust sellisest mulast.

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Re: Arhitekt V
Postitaja: mula (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 11.06.2009 11:38

soovitus komisjonile-ühendada V ja IV üheks IV-ks sest olgem ausad-kui palju meil neid rahvusvahelisi eksperte siis tegelikult on.Kui mõni ongi, siis selline tüüp ei vaja mingit kutsetunnistust.

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Re: Arhitekt V
Postitaja: noor vihane mees (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 12.06.2009 00:57

Öelge mulle, milleks on tarvis üldse mingeid esimesi, teisi...viiendaid, kahekümneviiendaid. Kas ei võiks olla lihtsalt arhitekti kutse ja kogu lugu. Rahvusvaheline mees ei vaja mingit kutsetunnistust.

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Re: Arhitekt V
Postitaja: betoon (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 12.06.2009 09:13

eriti naljakas on V omadustes fakt et peab olema saanud tunnustuse mings konstruktsioonivaldkonnas(parim puitmaja,bet.maja)Kui nüüd natuke arvutada siis pole kuskilt otsast võimalik et 88 kodanikku on vastava tiitli pälvinud olukorras kus need konkursid üldse mingi 10 a eksisteerinud on.
Totaalne ülereguleerimine,mille eest veel lisaks kõigl ka neljakohaline summa küsitakse.

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Re: Arhitekt V
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Kuupäev: 09.02.2017 06:33

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