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EAL Forum :: Foorum :: energiamärgis
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energiamärgis
Postitaja: ets (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 21.12.2008 17:30

Kas ma olen õigesti aru saanud, et alates 01.01 tuleb energiamärgis lisada ka igale ehitusluba taotlevale projektile? Ehitusseadus justnagu nii ütleb.
Ja kas neid märgiseid võivad tõesti väljastada vaid erikoolituse läbinud (keda hetkel eestis vist umbes 15 in)- nagu loeb välja inseneride liidu lehelt?

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Re: energiamärgis
Postitaja: keski (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 22.12.2008 08:27

Majandus- ja kommunikatsiooniministri määruse
„Energiamärgise vorm ja väljastamise kord”
eelnõu seletuskiri:

Energiamärgise väljastajateks on uutele ja oluliselt rekonstrueeritavatele projekteeritavatele hoonetele (edaspidi projekteeritavad hooned) projekteerimisettevõtjad, olemasolevatele hoonetele energiaauditeid tegevad ettevõtjad või hoonete energiamärgiseid väljastavad ettevõtjad. Kuni 2010. aasta 1. jaanuarini võivad energiamärgiseid väljastada ka ehitiste ekspertiise teostavad ettevõtjad.

Majandus- ja kommunikatsiooniministri 17.12.2008.a. määruse nr 107
„Energiamärgise vorm ja väljastamise kord”
tekstist päris otseselt ei leidnud kes võib koostada. On §9 (1) Energiaarvutusel põhineva energiamärgise väljastamise kuupäeva märgib hoone ehitusprojekti koostanud projekteerimisettevõtja.

Seega mina saan nii aru, et projekteerimisettevõtjad võivad ilma lisalitsentsi taotlemata. Või ma eksin?

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Re: energiamärgis
Postitaja: Lauri (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 22.12.2008 15:04

Tallinna linnavalitsuses toimunud infopäeval esitati sama küsimus, et kes siis võib märgist väljastada. Majandus ja kommunikatsiooniministeeriumi esindaja vastus sellele küsimusele jäi küll uduseks kuid üldjoontes võivad seda väljastada kõik MTR'i registreeringuga ettevõtjad, kes omavad projekteerimis litsentsi.

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Re: energiamärgis
Postitaja: ets (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 22.12.2008 15:37

[www.ekvy.ee]
See dok väidab et isegi KV insenerid ei tohi märgist ilma vastava lisaõppe koolituse ja lisalitsentsita(konkreetse märgiseteemalise kutsekvalifikatsioonita) teha.....
Mõlemad loomulikult tasulised kah.



Krdijaoks üldse see märgis projekti juures vajalik on...projekt peab ju niigi ja pidi ka seni juba niikuinii vastama vastavatele normidele.

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Re: energiamärgis
Postitaja: keski (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 22.12.2008 16:12

Ehitusseaduse viimane versioon:
[Paragrahv 31 jõustub 1.01.2009]

§ 31. Energiamärgis
(2) Energiamärgise väljastab:
1) olemasolevale sisekliima tagamisega hoonele või selle eraldi kasutatavale osale hoonete energiaauditeid tegev või energiamärgiseid väljastav ettevõtja......
2) projekteeritavale sisekliima tagamisega hoonele projekteerimisettevõtja. Lisaks käesoleva paragrahvi lõikes 1 loetletud andmetele peab projekteerimisettevõtja energiamärgisel kinnitama, et projekteeritud hoone vastab energiatõhususe miinimumnõuetele. ....

Ehitusseadusest järeldub siis, et projekteerimisettevõtja peab lisaks olevale hooonele vajalikele andmetele suutma tõestada ka veel vastavust miinimumnõuetele. Seega oleks absurd, kui projekteerija ei tohiks sama teha olevale hoonele?

Muidugi püüavad kõik instantsid oma litsentside väljastamisega lisa teenida, aga siiski kas meil on vaja sinna maksma tõtata või piisab asja endale selgeks tegemistest?

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Re: energiamärgis
Postitaja: ets (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 22.12.2008 16:56

Kas seletuskirja kirjutamisele, projekti digitaalsele vormistamisele ja erinevate köitmistehnoloogiate tundmisele ei olegi veel koostatud vastavaid kutsekvalifikatsiooni tõestamise tingimusi?

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Re: energiamärgis
Postitaja: Enn (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 23.12.2008 00:02

Ehitusseaduses pole täpsustatud ega nõutud, et energiaauditit tegev projekteerija peab olema mingi erilise spetsiaalse kutsekvalifikatsiooniga.
Seda, et mingi energiaauditi tegija peab vastama mingile
"Kooskõlastatud Inseneride Kutsenõukogu
03. juuni 2008.a. otsusele nr 14" (nagu väidab foorumlane "ets":"[www.ekvy.ee]
See dok väidab et isegi KV insenerid ei tohi märgist ilma vastava lisaõppe koolituse ja lisalitsentsita(konkreetse märgiseteemalise kutsekvalifikatsioonita) teha.....)" ja juhul, kui seda ei sätesta Ehitusseadus, ei pea järgima.

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Re: energiamärgis
Postitaja: ets (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 23.12.2008 00:32

ehitusseadus ei sätesta seda ka et projekteerimiseks on lisaks vastavale haridusele vaja ka MTR.
See eh.seadus on rohkem nagu raamseadus,ilmselt sätestub kõnealune küsimus hoopis kutseseaduses, samuti nagu kogu see "volitatud värk"

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Re: energiamärgis
Postitaja: jyri (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 23.12.2008 14:10

aeg-ajalt tuleb ehitusseadust üle lugeda:

§ 41. Ettevõtja tegutsemine ehitusalal

(1) Isikul on lubatud ehitada, projekteerida, teha ehitusuuringuid, omanikujärelevalvet, ehitusprojektide ja ehitiste ekspertiise ning tegeleda ehitusjuhtimisega, kui ta on ettevõtja äriseadustiku tähenduses ning tal on:
1) majandustegevuse registri (edaspidi register) registreering ja
2) vastavasisuline õigussuhe käesoleva seaduse §-s 47 nimetatud pädeva isikuga (edaspidi vastutav spetsialist) või peab füüsilisest isikust ettevõtja ise olema pädev tegutsema vastutava spetsialistina.

ja sellele järgneb kohe:

(11) Käesoleva paragrahvi lõikes 1 nimetatud tunnustele vastaval isikul on alates 2008. aasta 1. jaanuarist õigus väljastada hoonete energiamärgiseid ja teha hoonete energiaauditeid.

(3) Hoonete energiamärgiste väljastamiseks peab vastutaval spetsialistil olema vastav kutsekvalifikatsioon kutseseaduse tähenduses.

minu arvates suht selge.

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energiamärgis
Postitaja: keski (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 22.01.2009 07:17

Jah, nii see on, et projekteerimisettevõtja EI tohi energiamärgist väljastada olemasolevale hoonele. Üle küsitud. Selleks peaks ta palkama oma firmasse kellegi, kes on saanud selle kutsetunnustuse. Kutsetunnustuse saamiseks omakorda peab olema keskharidus, ekasami läbimine ja vähemalt 2-aastane töötamine "hoonete haldamise, energiatõhususe või energiavarustuse valdkonnas". Seega varasem töötamine projekteerimisettevõttes ei sobi ka. Et saadad mõne oma töötaja eksamile - ei saa! Peab olema töötanud enne hoopis katlamajas näiteks.
Mina selles ei oska küll muud loogikat näha, kui teatud kamp on võtnud nõuks projekteerimisettevõtjad sellelt turult karmilt välja tõrjuda.

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