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probleeme arhidektiga
Postitaja: jan (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 25.10.2007 17:59

Võibolla olen vales kohas küsimusega aga igaks juhuks küsin ära.

Selline küsimus on et kas Arhidektide Liidus olevatel arhidektidel mingeid kohustusi või siis eetilisi kohustusi ka on(nägin et selline asi on aga kas seda ka täidetakse). Nimelt on probleeme ühe ahidektiga kes ei taha kuidagi asju ajada ja on Arhidektide Liidus. Aasta otsa kuulan jutte et nädala pärast saab aga kui nädal möödas on vaikus ja ei taha kõnedelegi vastata.
Olen heaga ja ka natuke halvaga püüdnud asju liikuma ajada aga siiamaani pole õnnestunud. Ei leia et on normaalne eramu projekti ehitusloa jaoks teha kaks aastat kui naabril tehti asi kahe kuuga ära.
Iseenesest vahetaks kohe arhidekti aga mõningate paberite kättesaamisega arhidekti käest on probleeme ja ma ei tea kui meeldivalt võtavad ahitektid vastu teise arhitekti poolikut tööd.
Juttude järgi peaks asi niikaugel olema et ainult ehitusluba hankida aga sedagi olen kuulnud peaaegu aasta ja oma silmaga normaalset kausta pole näinud. Kuna isegi korstna joonistamisega pole poole aastaga hakkama saadud siis kahtlen selle jutu tõesuses.

Ehk oskab keegi mingit ideed pakkuda kuidas asja lahendada või on see normaalne et eramu projekti tegemiseks ja ehitusloa saamiseks läheb aastaid?

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Re: probleeme arhitektiga
Postitaja: sl (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 26.10.2007 08:55

Üldiselt aitab selliseid asju vältida leping, kus kirjas poolte kohustused ja õigused, projekti etappide tähtajad ja nende eest tasutavad summad. Kui ehitusõigusega su krundil kõik korras, siis ei peaks küll üle kahe kolme kuu ehitusluba aega võtma. Üldiselt soovitan antud olukorras eelprojekt arhitekti oma kätte võtta ja vajalikud kooskõlastused ise kokku korjata.

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Re: probleeme arhitektiga
Postitaja: jan (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 26.10.2007 12:10

No lihtsalt öeldes ongi nagu peamine probleem selles et räägib ühte asja aga tegelikkust ei tea... selle aja jooksul olen kuulnud et mingi 6 korda käidud tuletõrjes ja mitu korda linnavalitsuses jne jne... kuigi projekti pole eriti muudetud nii et ma ei näe põhjust et peaks nii palju käima nendes asutustes... tundub lihtsalt kui mina küsin siis oleks midagi öelda...
Ja eks ma pean ikka kuidagi üritama asjad kätte saada kui nädala jooksul asjad ei liigu... aga huvitab kas on võimalik ka mõne teise arhidekti jutule minna sest paar lisa oleks vaja teha projekti mida see arhidekt pole aasta jooksul suutnud teha?
Või teine võimalus kas on võimalik mõjutada arhidekti mõningate seaduste või reeglitega.
Mis puutub lepingusse siis selle puudumise mõjust olen isegi aru saanud aga samas on kirjas et leping ei ole vajalik... oleks teadnud alguses et sellise arhidekti otsa satun oleks seda kindlasti nõudnud... selles mõttes oma vitsad peksavad ja eks tulevikus targem. Ainukesed tõestused aja möödumisest on mul joonised mille all on aasta tagused kuupäevad

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Re: probleeme arhidektiga
Postitaja: Juhtub kõike (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 29.10.2007 08:32

Detaile teadmata ei saa ühest nõu anda. Olen pika praktikaga tegija, kuid mitu aastat tagasi sattusin läbi ühe firma seadustama juba valmisehitatud üüratu suurt eramut koos kõrval hoonetega Tallinnas ja töö jäigi lõpetamata, sest klient oli nagu sipelgas, kes aina ehitas ja ehitas: oli 41 % krundist katnud ehitustega ja 1/3 asus sellest linna puurkaevu sanitaartsoonis. Kliendil oli tunne, et seda saab seadustada kui Tallinna Vee kooskõlastajatele "pinda" käia. Kooskõlastajad tüdisid ja kirjutasid kooskõlastuse asemel lausa kirjalikult peale, et "ei kooskõlasta", mis peale klient laekus optimistlikult minu juurde, et näete, mul on kooskõlastus peal. Ütlesin, et see on halvim, mis üldse olla saab. Asi oleks liikvele läinud siis, kui 1/3 ehitustest oleks peale pannud projektis lammutamise. Projekt jäigi pooleli ja dokumendid on aegunud. On olemas projekte mida ei saagi lõpetada, kuna rikuvad mõningaid seadusi. On arhitekte, kes kaovad ära huvitavamate ja kasulikemate pakkumiste tõttu, olen isegi pidanud paar korda selliseid projekte lõpuni viima.

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Re: probleeme arhidektiga
Postitaja: Probleemid..... (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 29.10.2007 09:21

Analüüsides Teie teksti, jääb mulje, et Te ei avalda kõiki probleeme. Uute majadega sellist Päästeametis mittekooskõlastamise probleeme ei teki, sest arhitektid teevad projekti rangelt normide järgi. Teie maja puhul on tunne, et tegu on vana maja või juurdeehitusega, kus on enne arhitekti palkamist mingi "kala" sees. Võtke oma maja paberid ja arhitekti käest projekt minge ise kohaliku päästeameti kooskõlastajate juurde ja küsige järele, mis norm on rikutud, mille täitmine võib nõuda väga suuri lammutusi või ümberehitust. Et seda täita, peate tegema väga radikaalse otsuse Teie ise, mille tegemisega pole Te vist enne soostunud.
Olen keeldunud mõningatest töödest, kus olemasolev maja rikub tuletõrje kuja ehk majadevahelist normi, kus on vajalik naabri nõusolek, kuid klient küsimise peale tunnistab halbu suhteid naabriga ja pole lootagi naabri kooskõlastavat allkirja. Nii et on olemas kõikvõimalikke juhuseid, kus ei saagi projekti lõpetada või isegi ette võtta, kus kinnistu omanik peab tegema väga raskeid otsuseid. Kui kas või üks kooskõlastus on saamata, siis ei hakkagi saama ehitusluba.
Nõustasin näiteks noorpaari, kes oli kitsa krundi ja sellel oleva aiamaja ostnud viimase laiendamise lootuses elumajaks. Aiamaja asus piirile lähedal ja naabriga suhted pinevad, siis seaduse järgi nad seda aiamaja laiendada elamuks üldse ei saagi vaid lammutada ja ehitada uus elamu krundi teise serva lähedale, kus üleaedsega suhted head ja kooskõlastust loota.

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Re: probleeme arhidektiga
Postitaja: jan (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 30.10.2007 09:41

Ei no ma kardan et te pingutate probleemidega üle... naabrite nõusolekud on olemas... need sain kahe nädalaga aetud... asendi jooniste tegemine aga võttis arhidektil terve aasta aega kuigi pole mingi erilise planeeringuga... see sama pool aastat olen rääkinud et võiks ühe korstna veel joonisele märkida sauna jaoks... ütles et jah saab tehtud aga siiamaani pole seda joonisel näha nii et lihtsalt ei jaksa enam neid asju sedasi ajada... miks peab arhidekt iga kord rääkides ütlema et nädala pärast on olemas kui tegelikult ei toimu midagi... ja seda üle aasta kuulata ei ole normaalne... mul poleks probleemi kui inimene ütleb et näe paar kuud sinu projektiga ei tegele... siis teab vähemalt mis olukord on... see on ju puhas kliendile valetamine kui öeldakse et kõik on korras aga tegelikult läheb veel äkki aasta... ja telefonikõnede vältimine ei ole ka normaalne kliendiga suhtlemine
Ja minul ei ole midagi varjata... mina oskan öelda niipalju kui ma tean... tegemist on jah suvila ümberehitamisega ja suht väikse krundiga... aga naabrite nõusolekud on kõik olemas keda see mõjutab

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Re: probleeme arhidektiga
Postitaja: Vaalo (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 30.10.2007 11:09

Mis loom see arhidekt veel on?

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Re: probleeme arhitektiga
Postitaja: jan (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 31.10.2007 13:34

no sorry kirjavea pärast... minu meelest tõsiselt väike probleem selle kõrval mis tegelik probleem on

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Re: probleeme arhidektiga
Postitaja: njauks (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 31.10.2007 15:24

kummalised on inimesed, kes tellivad endale ilma lepinguta kalli ja keerulise asja valmistamise. Pool süüd muidugi selle ka arhitektil, kes nõustub nii tegema. Viimaks maksid raha ka veel ette? Ega muu aitagi, kui nõua ettemakstud raha tagasi, kuna tulemust sul ju pole, mingeid tähtaegu pole....tegelikult midagi ju pole. Telefonile mittevastamise puhul aitab teiselt numbrilt helistamine ja kohale minemine. Loodetavasti saad makstud summasid ikka panglingis tõetada.

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Re: probleeme arhidektiga
Postitaja: jan (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 03.11.2007 21:57

selles mõttes pole hullu et täielikult raha pole ma ära maksnud... maksin kolmandiku siis kui esimesed joonised valmis olid ja rohkem pole maksnud... ja sellise tulemusena ma ei kavatse tervet hinda maksta kuna aeg on ületanud kümnekordselt seda mis esialgu öeldud
suurem kahju on selles et maja ehitamine venib... oma maja saamine venib... minu usaldusväärsus on langenud kuna esialgu uskusin arhidekti kui lubas et nädala või kahe pärast saab midagi... ja mina leppisin teiste inimestega selle põhjal asju kokku...
eelmise nädala tulemus oli see et vist nüüd alles lõpuks oli vastav kaust kokku pandud... aga kuna veel oma silmaga pole näinud ei usu... aga loodan

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Re: probleeme arhidektiga
Postitaja: David Vincent (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 08.11.2007 21:58

Palju Sa siis talle maksid ma ei saanud aru?

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Re: probleeme arhidektiga
Postitaja: Vaalo (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 09.11.2007 21:28

Mulle meeldib, et see kirjaviga kordub pidevalt, isegi peale vastava märkuse tegemist; see nagu natuke näitab Su enda suhtumist vist. Ei imesta kui arhitekt mingite ülbete tellijatega eriti tegeleda ei taha.

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Re: probleeme arhitektiga
Postitaja: jan (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 09.11.2007 22:34

Tegelasest Vaalo on ilmselgelt aru saada milline on ahitektide suhtumine klientidesse... Vaalo sugused tegelased vist ongi sellised et kes arvavad et klient võib oodata kasvõi elu lõpuni kui endal isu pole teha midagi... Minu meelest on loogiline et tuleb karmiks minna kui kaks aastat kuulad juttu kuidas nädala pärast saab projekti... üle aasta sellest ajast suhtusin ma täiesti rahulikult sellesse kuna mul endal polnud kiiret asjaga... aga kahju hakkab inimestest kes selliste arhitektidega peavad kokku puutuma... kui selline suhtumine on inimestesse siis kirjutan meelega valesti

Aga eelnevale normaalsele küsimusele vastan et 10 tuhat maksin

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Re: probleeme arhidektiga
Postitaja: Vaalo (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 09.11.2007 22:53

Tegelase jan sugused kliendid ilmselgelt otsivad meelega tavaliselt üksikult tegutsevaid arhitekte, et nendelt võileivahinna eest eramute projekte saada, või tihtilugu juba ehitatavale kuudile ehitusluba välja ajada. Sageli juhtub ka nii, et jani sugused ei ole kuulnudki näiteks sellest, et projekti juurde on asendiplaani jaoks vaja ka digitaalset geoalust, mis võib ju lausa mitu tuhat krooni maksta ning kolmekümnetuhandekroonise eelarve kolinal lõhki lüüa. Kui tahad tähtaegadest kinnipidamist saada, korja veidi rohkem raha ja pöördu normaalse firma poole.

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Re: probleeme arhidektiga
Postitaja: hmmmm (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 12.11.2007 00:30

Vaalo jutus on point sees. Ilmselt oled liiga kooner ning püüad võimalikult odavalt läbi saada, sellest ka sellised jamad... pöördu mõne normaalse arhitekti poole ning sealt saad sa tarvilikud asjad kiiremalt kätte.

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Re: probleeme arhidektiga
Postitaja: jan (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 15.11.2007 00:34

10000 on kolmandik hinnast mitte terve hind kullakesed... võiksite rohkem lugeda enne kui rääkima hakkate ja tegemist ei ole mingi üksiküritajaga... teeb suuri projekte jne... ja probleem ei ole mitte niivõrd selles et kaua asi aega võtab vaid asi on selles et valetatakse sõna otseses mõttes... valetamine on minu meelest täiesti ebaeetiline tegevus... rääkitmata sellest et ahitektide liidus tundub see täiesti normaalne teie jutu põhjal...
nagu ma aru saan siis selline asi nagu arhitektide liit on mõttetu koht kuhu võetakse ka suvalisi üksiküritajaid teie jutu põhjal... igatahes ma ei näe sellistel liitudel mõtet... olgu rohkem ma siin oma aega ei raiska... arusaadav et asjalikku infot siit ei saa

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Re: probleeme arhidektiga
Postitaja: Vaalo (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 15.11.2007 16:00

"10000 on kolmandik hinnast mitte terve hind kullakesed... võiksite rohkem lugeda enne kui rääkima hakkate" - kas keegi on vastupidist väitnud? Ehk tasuks ise veidi tähelepanelikumalt lugeda?

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Re: probleeme arhidektiga
Postitaja: reimo (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 16.11.2007 10:28

Tere,

Mulle eriti meeldib kuidas omad omasid kaitsevad. Arhitekt on jah tugeva t, aga ma arvan, et kõik saavad siiski aru kui väike näpukas sisse tuleb. Ja niipalju targutajatele,et suuline kokkulepe on ka leping ja sellest peaks kinni pidama. Antud töö tegemise "kummi venitamise" taga on raudselt see, et arhitekt sai kasumlikuma töö ja ei viitsi oma lubadustest kinni pidada. Kui see arhitekt töö sisse võttis sellise summa eest siis pole mitte tellija süüdi vaid siiski töö täitja kes kas siis ajutises rahaädas või meeltesegaduses sellise summa eest tööd tegema oli üleüldse nõus. Ja härradele kes siis targutavad mida ma olen palju näinud võiks parem nõu anda. Mul endalgi kogemusi vägagi nn "lugupeetud" arhitektidega kes kuuluvad igasugustesse liitudesse kui ikka parem pakkumine tehakse siis sinu töö jääb venima ja aetakse mingit jama. Hr. või Pr. Vaalo on ilmselgelt isik kes ise samasuguse jamaga hakkama saanud.

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Re: probleeme arhidektiga
Postitaja: Vaalo (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 16.11.2007 17:24

"Hr. või Pr. Vaalo on ilmselgelt isik kes ise samasuguse jamaga hakkama saanud" - jah, täpselt nii ongi, kuidas Sa ära arvasid? Uskumatu...
Tegelikult ma ei saa enam aru, mis hämamine siin käib üldse? "Mul endalgi kogemusi vägagi nn "lugupeetud" arhitektidega kes kuuluvad igasugustesse liitudesse" või siis teemaalgataja "tegemist ei ole mingi üksiküritajaga... teeb suuri projekte jne..." on ikka väga mõjuvad argumendid. Mind hakkab huvitama, et kui kod. jan ise nö "puhas poiss" ja talle meeletult ülekohut tehtud on, miks ei nimeta ta siis ühtegi nime?

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Re: probleeme arhidektiga
Postitaja: Kaidi (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 05.02.2008 18:44

Kui mure, siis viimasel ajal on meediast selliste jamade puhul abi olnud. Lahenevad päris kiiresti. Vaataks hea meelega Võsareporterist, et mis see arhitekt selle projekti venimise põhjuseks ütleb...

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Re: probleeme arhidektiga
Postitaja: appi, appi (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 18.02.2008 19:21

Minul on kah probleem...Tõesti kah 2 aastat ei saa kooskõlastatud väikest kõrguse ületamist,saaks juba ühele poole.Maja on ammu valmis,sain aru, et mõned asjad tuleb katuselt maha võtta,aga konkreetselt ja kirjalikult ei mingit vastust,ikka ja jälle järgmise nädala jooksul...

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Re: probleeme arhidektiga
Postitaja: volts (IP Logitud)
Kuupäev: 27.02.2008 11:42

Leping, leping ja veelkord leping! Tähtajad, töö üleandmise kord, tasustamise kord, kõik on seal kirjas.

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